Dane: That's a good question. What we discovered over years of training people, both through classroom as well as the prior tape training, was that although the tape training programs were effective, it took someone with a high level motivation to be able to extract the necessary information, to be able to learn the system and to be able to apply the technology. So what we did was, like any product that goes through multiple generations, you get customer feedback, and what we discovered was that if we incorporated special learning technologies that simulated classroom training, that a person would be able to learn at a much deeper level, much more quickly. And since we're training the unconscious, in addition to the conscious mind - with the protocols, and the various processes, that by incorporating special learning technologies, a person would be able to learn faster, better, and more deeply. So, one of the primary motivations was - to basically upgrade the training system using a new sophisticated learning technology.

Editor: How were the systems and procedures improved when developing the new training course and how is this course different?

"They (trainees) will realize really how potent and powerful "mind" really is and they will begin to question their own paradigms about what reality is, how the universe works and operates and their role in the universe. And this creates some fundamental change at a very core level of their being..." - Dane Spotts

Dane: There are ten videotapes in this second generation training course, (in addition it will be offered in other platforms, such as DVD, and future computer interactive training in future when broadband internet becomes more universally available). So, the basic kit for most people who have a VCR and want to learn using tape training system, there are ten tapes in the series, unlike the current system, which has five. Of these ten tapes, one of them is an introductory tape which demonstrates the system, gives them some background on the learning technology that's employed here, as well as some background on the company. Then there are three lecture series tapes, where a student is basically given the theoretical basis for Technical Remote Viewing^®, given terminology and the protocols of the technology, that sort of thing, and how to cue and prepare targets. So there are three actual seminar/workshop tapes that a person will go through that act as a kind of reference library. The core of the course, however, are the six classroom training modules. And the six classroom training modules literally take a person and bring them through each of the stages of remote viewing and do so using a very very unique system that incorporates what we call Directed Learning^TM technology. What that means, is a person is able to not only learn the material vicariously by watching others do it, but they're directed to actually perform very specific exercises. And upon the completion of having successfully performed those exercises, they go through a self verification testing process. So, they'll know absolutely that they've nailed the material for that module before they're able to go on to the next module. Like all learning that sticks, it's a process of learning material and then you overlay new material on top of that. And so it's this progressive successive linear approach to learning. And that's what we've done here. It's really so unlike the first series of tapes which were informative, but it was difficult for a student to learn all the nuances of remote viewing. The information was certainly there, but a person had to extract it, had to be highly motivated and disciplined to be able to apply it. What this does, is to take someone of even relatively low motivation and be able to grab them by the scruff of the neck and force them through each of the stages. And also, because of this unique learning technology, layered within the Technical Remote Viewing^® technology, as a person goes through each of the phases and they learn each of those steps, their motivation will successively increase, because they'll have mastered each level before they're allowed to go on to the next. That was lacking in the first tape series.

Editor: Do you expect that these tapes will produce better remote viewers who will not be as dependent upon online training and technical support?

Dane: Yes. Indeed. I expect that this course will dramatically improve the quality and ability of people to learn this skill in less time. It will allow someone to pick up on the techniques much quicker and they won't have to rely on having as much hand holding to get them through the various successive levels. Also there are many subtle nuances to teaching and learning this skill which are easy to miss. And if they are missed, it creates bad habits that lead to poor results. So, this basic TRV course will train someone in S1 through S4 skills in a relatively short period of time. They'll be able to have mastered, on a conscious level, the necessary steps that they need to go through, which is I think somewhat difficult for most trainees right now. Ultimately, you know, we are really training your unconscious mind. But there are conscious processes that one needs to go through that ultimately become ingrained into a persons autonomic system. And the sooner a person learns that material, and learns that autonomically, so that they don't have to be thinking about what their next move is, the more their unconscious is freed up to be able to then deal with the data downloads. So, I think that the real home run here, is the fact that we've been able to do incorporate this Directed Learning^TM technology, which leap frogs the TRV student way ahead of anything thats ever been offered in this field - even class room training. This will actually in many ways be much more powerful than class room training, which costs thousands of dollars by the way, because you will know, after going through each successive training module, whether or not you mastered that level and if you haven't mastered it, it's very easy to go back and simply repeat it until you do.

Editor: You can always go back and review it...

Dane: Review it and do it again and again until it's become a part of you. And because we've included numerous training targets with the kit, enough blind targets so that someone will be able to have gone through it and know whether they're on or not and how different types of targets feel. It should be relatively easy for someone to grasp what's going on and what this means. Whereas right now, unfortunately, even though the theory is certainly put out there, and the techniques, the way its currently taught makes it more difficult to learn than it needs to be. And so trainees need that hand holding. What this new series will do will be to act as that training coach and be able to guide someone through the process almost effortlessly. That's the home run here. The fact that we've married a very unique technology (TRV) with a tried and trued accelerated learning technology. And by marrying those two things and putting them together in a simple and entertaining style, it will give people what they want; the ability to develop their remote viewing skills in a realitively short period of time. When someone's actually going through this training this it will seem deceptively simple. It will seem like it's almost too simple. Whereas now, there's a lot of unnecessary complexity. And so, it looks harder to do than it actually is. Learning the remote viewing process itself is quite simple. Now, mastering it is another thing. It's like any skill, like learning how to play golf for instance. The rules of golf are relatively simple. You know, that you swing a club to hit a ball into a hole. What takes years of mastery is being able to get that ball into the hole every time with the least number of strokes. It requires both a conscious and unconscious process using both body and mind so that you're swing hits the ball perfectly at the tee and you're able to master each of the strokes to better your game. TRV is a skill. The amount of practice and effort that one still needs to put in to master TRV is of course still there. But, the big hurdle that's overcome now is the fact it will no longer be confusing as to how to do this.

Editor: Does the new course include a workbook?

Dane: Yes. As I mentioned earlier, the new course will include ten video tapes, comprising six classroom training modules, three lecture series seminars, and an introductory tape that will tell them how this whole thing was put together and how it works. We include a TRV pen. We've actually included a roller ball pen in the kit, just to make sure that people aren't using cheap ball point pens or pencils or something else. And there will be a workbook. The workbook is really more of a study guide and provides some of the prompts as they go through each of the classroom training modules, as well as the self-tests they need to complete to prove they mastered the lesson. At the end of each classroom training module the student will have to take a self test. And before they're able to go on to the next training module, they'll have had to proven mastery over the material in that particular training module.

Editor: Will the introductory tape replace The Impossible Challenge?

Dane: The introductory tape is a 'watch me first' tape. It's relatively short, but it will have some background on the company and its history. We're going to include information about the technology, where it came from. We're also going to allow the new trainees to see former students - how they've gone through it. We'll also add some remote viewing lessons and some media stuff - that sort of thing.

Editor: What training targets come with the course?

Dane: The plan is to put a certain number of blind targets in the kit. In fact a person will be able to do their first blind target after they've completed Module 2, which is training up through the end of stage three. So, in tape number three, they will actually be remote viewing for the first time. And they'll be remote viewing with an instructor who will use the Directed Learning^TM technique and they'll actually be able to watch, on the video, someone guiding them and taking them through a monitored session. So it will be almost like a monitor is sitting there in your living room, literally taking you through each of the stages - one through stage three. The trainee will have a target envelope that will be similar to the target envelope that's on the training tape. And they'll be following along as if that instructor is sitting in their living room training them. Now, in addition to that, there will be many many other remote viewing targets categorized by level of difficulty or training capability that will also be included in their kit. They'll have access to a new and improved online training system. And this new and improved online training system will have additional blind targets that they can download and be able to work. Also, included in their training kit, they will be taught how prepare their own training targets. Those are the three levels. There are training targets included in the kit. There will be supplemental targets they'll be able to access from their workbook. There will be training targets that are online as well as, and they will be shown how to build their own training targets.

Editor: What about non-internet capable trainees? Will they be able to purchase additional targets from PSI TECH or receive them via a newsletter?

Dane: Yes. In fact, some of the supplemental products trainees will be able to access are packaged blind target kits. This will be an actual kit that they'll be able to purchase for a nominal sum that will have formal blind targets packed along with a video monitor. These training target kits will be categorized based on levels of proficiency and in that will be an additional video training tape or two which takes each one of those targets and allows that new trainee to go through a complete monitored session. So, they'll be able to purchase those additional blind target kits, as well as go online and be able to download them. What a new trainee is going to be able to access is literally hundreds of blind target capabilities. And they will be categorized by level of difficulty and then they'll be able to have instant feedback either online or through some other mechanism. We may even use some sort of telephone feedback system. These are just some other things that we are planning to do, so that they'll be able to get feedback as to how well they did. And of course, we have our current online network of associate trainees that have varying levels of expertise that they'll be able to plug into as well.

Editor: Will existing owners of the original course receive a discount when purchasing the new course?

Dane: Yes. Existing trainees who purchased the existing tape system will be able to upgrade to the new system and get back most if not all of their original investment back in the form of discounts and bonuses. This will be announced when the new system is released.

Editor: So, if a trainee is proficient in TRV already, and they have the original course, would they benefit by purchasing the new course?

Dane: Absolutely. It's like a boot camp. Going back to the basics for training is good for a couple of reasons. One, there are a lot of people out there that weren't actually trained correctly. And we know this because they come online, into the web site, and they ask questions that reveal they are not doing it correctly. And these are people who have had the tapes for a year or two years or even longer. Some have developed bad habits. And these bad habits will be able to be corrected with this new tape series. Now, they're not going to learn anything really new in terms of a new protocol or a new technology with this basic kit. What they're going to be able to do is be able to relearn the technology and do it more easily and learn it correctly. And so if they do have bad habits or are making errors it will correct them. Hey, it could be something simple like decoding your ideogram properly or not producing an ideogram correctly or the way they are doing their analysis or summary. Those kinds of things, maybe they're not just getting the correct feedback and it's because they don't have access to a hands on instructor. This will help them to correct a lot of the potential errors that are out there. So, I definitely encourage someone to get it. It's like going back to basics again. And sometimes you need to go back to basics just to be able to refresh what it is that you're doing. And we've created enough of an incentive for existing tape trainees to want to do that.

Editor: When the original course was made, changes were made to TRV structure for learning at home, mandating certain general techniques in an effort to make it easier for people to learn. Has that been changed at all?

Dane: Yes, it has. What's being done now is going back to basics. This will be more like the way you would be trained if you were in the natural classroom setting. And because our accelerated learning technology has been incorporated into this system - in other words, a new student doesn't have to rely on those old crutches any more. And because there will be advanced courses, and ancillary and supplemental training that will be offered in addition to this basic course. What we're doing is we're training people more like they would be taught if they were sitting right in front of you, using interactive tools.

Editor: Can you tell us more about future training modules and they skills they'll teach?

Dane: Sure. I'd be happy to. When somebody has completed these ten videos and has passed the self verification test, they will be proficient at being able to conduct a basic remote viewing session. Now, obviously they are going to require practice to improve on their skill level. But they'll have the basic knowledge of how to do this and how to do S1 through S4. The advanced kit, which will be offered shortly after the basic kit, will teach advanced S5 and S6 skills, of which there are a number of variations. And there will be specific seminars incorporating the Directed Learning^TM technology, to be able to train people in the specific nuances of the higher more advanced remote viewing skills. Now, there are a number of TRV trainees out there right now who are wanting those advanced skills and would love to have those immediately, and are capable of working with those advanced modules right now. There are a lot more people out there, however, that did not really take advantage of the first tape program and they're going to want actually go back to basics and start with the basic series first before they upgrade to the next level. Those advanced modules will not be made available to people who haven't either purchased the first generation tapes or the second generation tapes. And it will be strongly recommended that, even though we will allow people to purchase the advanced training modules, who have purchased the first training tapes - it will be strongly recommended that they acquire the new second generation kit before they go on to the advanced programs.

Editor: The original training course was directed by an Academy Award^® nominee. That's a tough act to follow. Will the new series of tapes have an entirely different look and style?

Dane: They will have a much different look and style. And I think that the danger is, by saying, "Did this guy win an Academy Award^®?" And so, are the tapes going to be better? You know, who's a better cinematographer, blah blah blah blah blah. The bottom line is, which teaches you better? Not so much which is shot better, or which has better production values. Even though, frankly, I think the video quality of this second generation is vastly superior to the first one. The core of it, though, is really the scripting and the content. The content is better. And so when you say, how do you follow an act like an Academy Award^® nominated director? Well, you have better content. And we're incorporating an advanced learning technology. It's not just about glitzy looking video. So, in that sense it really isn't a touch act to follow, because we're literally talking about a new generation of technology. In fact, our producer commented just the other day, as he was finishing working on his editing. He said, "Dane, you know, it's going to be like the difference between somebody driving a Ferrari and somebody driving a soap box racer." That's the feel that a student will get from it. Not that the quality of the video is any better, or the production values are any better - the real home run here, as I said earlier, is the applied accelerated learning technology that's been imbedded into this system. So that at the end of the day, at the end of somebody having gone through each of those training tapes, the value is, who is proficient at being able to perform the skill.

Editor: Is Joni the primary instructor on the tapes?

Dane: Yes. Joni is presented as the instructor and she does the lectures as well as the directed learning sessions.

Editor: How would you describe the teaching style?

Dane: Well, the teaching style uses a five step accelerated learning process. And this, by they way, is an accelerated learning process that I patented a couple of years ago incorporating another technology. And what this teaching style uses is a system of conscious and unconscious training which happens to fit perfectly with the whole Technical Remote Viewing training concept to begin with. Which is really more training your unconscious than it is training your conscious mind. But there are conscious and unconscious processes involved. So, I guess what the magic of this is that this takes that into consideration, and rather than like in the first training tape series, which is really just mostly this long series of lectures and conversations, this is more experiential. So, it's interactive. The trainee is told to do certain things. They are prompted when and how to do those certain things. And they are given testing instruction so that they know that they are competent and skilled enough before they can go on to the next level. It's actually, and just as a follow up to that question. This is unlike any other training system that's ever been developed, for a number of reasons, primarily because remote viewing happens to be a very unique skill that we're training - being able to train a person's sixth sense or psi muscle ability. So, that has to have special consideration. And then on top of that because it's so difficult to do that remotely, we had to basically incorporate a very special accelerated learning technique so it would be able simulate as if someone were sitting in the presence of Joni, literally. And she being able to take them by the scruff of the neck and drag them through each of the various protocols until they learned it - until they were satisfied that they learned it before they could move on.

Editor: With the original course, it wasn't widely marketed or publicized, and marketed primarily to people who already knew what remote viewing was and already accepting of it. How will the new marketing effort be different?

Dane: Well, it's a good question. Because, part of our marketing challenge is the fact that we have to educate the public about remote viewing. And when it was made public in 95, it was a sexy idea, and obviously PSI TECH was THE company. Since then, there's been so much misinformation and confusion in the marketplace about what remote viewing is, let alone, how is one capable of doing it and what's the best method of teaching it. So, because of that, it's created quite a bit of chaos in the marketplace. Now, when I say marketplace, the marketplace is still infinitesimally small. People hear about it on the radio, or they've read a little snippet here and there. And so there's a little bit of knowledge that's leaked through to the general public, and so people kind of sort of might think they know what it is. So, part of our challenge is to educate the public. Our game plan is, is to spend a tremendous amount of effort as well as resources, to teach the public what remote viewing is, how truly effective it really is, how it can change lives, and more importantly, how someone can apply it in their life. And I think the latter is really where all the former marketing efforts by all of the people in this industry really have failed. I think that people are attracted to the idea that the human mind is capable of such feats. But then it falls short because they don't know, "How do I do it? What can I do with it? What good is it? What benefit is it to me?" And when people finally really understand what this is and what it means, because usually generally what happens is, people who are on the cutting edge, that are smarter than average, that are looking for advantage in their life, they're looking for stuff like this. So, they're out sniffing around and they pop into ideas like this. And they'll dig and research and uncover those ideas for themselves. That's not the average person out in the marketplace. The average person, unless you hit them over the head with it, doesn't have a clue what this really means and what it's all about. So, our marketing challenge is really to penetrate beyond that initial teeny tiny percentage of people that are going to find it and seek it out anyway. And really offer this to more mainstream public. And I think that what will happen is, when a sufficient number of people start doing it and we reach a critical mass, and people really realize how easy it is to learn this and this starts spreading out there, I think what will happen is, this will take on a life of its own. But initially we have a significant marketing hurdle in just educating the public about what this is and what it means.

Editor: Does it bother you at all that the money you'll be spending on advertising and publicity will possibly have a coattail effect and eventually give more exposure to other remote viewing organizations and potentially spawn frauds wanting to cash in?

Dane: No, it doesn't bother me at all. And I'll tell you why. It doesn't bother me because it's a free enterprise system and that's the nature of the marketplace. Generally speaking, those that are out front and take the lead in any marketing effort, whether you're selling McDonalds hamburgers or Microsoft software, those companies that are the first out of the box, that have the best technology, the marketplace generally will seek them out. And that's not to say that you don't create competitors and spin-offs and con artists, and all of that, which PSI TECH has right now and will continue to have. And it's likely with this new training system, that we will create more of that - just because we'll be creating significant noise in the market place. And I think the big thing that's going to happen is that suddenly the average person, not the extraordinary intelligent person, but the average person, is going to realize, "Wow! This is incredible I really can do this with my mind!"

Editor: Will the tape trainees have the opportunity to participate in PSI TECH's remote viewing projects?

Dane: Yes. In fact, probably what we'll be doing here is selecting our best trainees and allowing them to participate at varying levels, in some of our special projects. One of the great things that this company is able to do, by creating professional remote viewers, as well as amateur remote viewers, is being able to - the cream rises to the top, so to speak. And people who have high motivation and/or natural talent, we will be seeking those people out and we will be employing them for various projects. So, someone who just becomes a tape trainee or a customer may be able to participate with the company on deeper and varying levels in the future.

Editor: Do you plan on having any certification levels or when a trainee reaches a certain skill level....

Dane: Well, we've looked at that. And that's still being debated in terms of whether or not someone is certified when they reach a level of proficiency, I'm better than this person, or I have this level of knowledge.... you know, there are other companies that do that sort of thing. We've kind of stayed away from it. If someone goes through this and buys the tapes, and there'll be dozens and dozens of products and different trainings and different ways that a person can access greater and more knowledge in this field. Just because they've bought all that stuff doesn't mean anything. It's whether or not they're using it and applying it in the world that counts. That's the key. In other words, someone will be able to demonstrate their ability by actually doing it, not necessarily by graduating from, you know, XYZ remote viewing course.

Editor: Will a person have to purchase all of these tapes to successfully learn all of the remote viewing skills, or will individual products be geared toward specialized skills and careers?

Dane: Yeah. Exactly. There will be this basic course (the TRV Second Generation System) which will give people the fundamentals they will need to be able to remote view. That's the intent and purpose of the second generation training system. The advanced training modules will be able to train in very specific S6 skills as well as be able to train someone in very specific vertical interests. So, for example, let's say I want to learn remote viewing, and my number one application is I want to learn how to do Optimum Trajectories^TM or find an optimum mate. So, the first thing you need to do is, you need to learn how to remote view. You need the basic fundamentals. That's what this basic course provides. And then you'll be able to purchase a single advanced training module, on how to conduct and do an Optimum Trajectory^TM, with all its various nuances. And for some people, that's all they want. Or some people have an interest in other applications. And so, there'll be literally a dozen or more specific topics that we will address. And those will be very specific and very focused for that interest. That will all be done shortly after this basic, fundamental training course is made available

Editor: Do you and Joni plan on publishing remote viewing books?

Dane: Yes. There will be several books published as well as other ancillary products. We'll be offering a variety of mind technologies to accentuate the proper TRV mind-set to be able to do this work better. There'll be a number of different products offered this year. Those will be announced over the next several months. Our number one focus has been really redoing the tape training program to be able to make the system easier and more accessible for more people. So that's been our number one priority over the last several months. That's now coming to fruition and will be completed very shortly. And then thereafter, every month, there will be new products that will be listed on our web site for sale that will be offered to people who are graduates of this basic course. All these other products really won't mean anything and they really aren't going to be made available until you've at least passed or completed this basic training. This basic training is essential.

Editor: How has Technical Remote Viewing^® benefited you personally after learning it? Can you cite examples of projects or sessions that have improved your life?

Dane: Well, it's central now to my life. There's a whole book being written on the subject. And so I can't go into too much detail right now, because it still in process. I think the short answer is that my life - most of my professional career has been in the mind technology field. I have developed a number of breakthrough products, written several books in this field and so mind technology really has been my life, my professional life - for some time, and I've lived, ate, slept and breathed it. This is now the apex of all of that work, and is the beginning of merging of what I've learned to date, with this technology. So my ability to acquire this skill, as well as be a participant in this company, and a developer within the company, being able to take the company and the technology to the next level is very satisfying. I'm perhaps a little different than, let's say, someone just off the street who learned remote viewing. But, I'm still just as blown away by it as they are. And I think as a follow up to your question, when people learn this, a couple things will happen. One is, that they will realize really how potent and powerful "mind" really is and they will begin to question their own paradigms about what reality is, how the universe works and operates and their role in the universe. And this creates some fundamental change at a very core level of their being, in terms of how they see themselves and the universe. And so, even though I've gone through some of those processes earlier on in my life, this has certainly been an eye opener and an added element to all of that. And now as an owner and developer within the company, and seeing what the potential is for this technology, I realize we're still only in kindergarten right now. This is the first day of school. It certainly is for me anyway and it certainly is for this company which is still a baby company in a baby industry. So, ask me that question five, ten, fifteen years from now, and I think you'll get a much more potent answer.

Editor: In an interview, Joni mentioned that PSI TECH recently acquired a piece of land in Hawaii. Can you discuss your plans for the land and how it will be developed?

Dane: Well, I can reveal only a little bit about it due to confidentiality agreements. This is a very special piece of land, that literally did drop into our laps. It's 128 acres of paradise. Some of the most beautiful land and views in the world. Truly incredible. It's something that had been remote viewed years prior as being in PSI TECH's future. And when it was dropped into our laps we couldn't pass it up. This is one of those kinds of things that was like divine providence, in terms of a sign post from God saying, "You've got to do this." And so, we did it and we're involved in it. And the question is, what are we going to do with it. Well its likely to be much more than just a training and development center for people of like mind to interact and exchange ideas. We're still unfolding those plans as we speak.

Editor: Will the DVDs be any different from the tapes?

Dane: Initially maybe, maybe not. I'm not really sure. There is a market for DVD but it's very very small by comparison to the video tape market. We probably will produce an enhanced DVD version that will have target envelopes built into it. It will have other material because we can store so much on a DVD. We can put manuals on it and do some other multimedia type things. So, to answer your question, initially no, but eventually that style or format probably will overtake video tape, as well as other formats too.

Editor: Will the tapes and the DVDs be released at the same time?

Dane: No. The first kits to roll off of the assembly line will be video tape. Probably within a month or two there will be DVD. And we'll be working on enhanced DVD versions. We're already working on our third generation product right now. So, there will be some other things added into this. And just so your audience realizes this, every person who buys our training systems, whether they buy the first generation tape series, the second generation tape series, all of these products are upgradeable. Whatever money they spent on those products they'll be discounted or rebated a certain portion of that back. So there's an upgrade path. It's kind of like when you buy a computer. The unfortunate thing, is when you buy a computer today it really only lasts about eighteen months. And then there's new technology. Let's say if your computer cost you $2000.00. It's almost like having to make a $2000.00 investment every eighteen months. And it irritates people. In this case, there will be upgrade paths. There will be discounts, that sort of thing.

Editor: So a person who really wants the DVDs, and they aren't available yet. Would they be able to later upgrade to DVDs at a discount?

Dane: Yes

Editor: Anything else that you'd like to add?

Dane: Okay. Well let me just sum it up then. So, what we're doing now is, the company is going in some new directions. What PSI TECH has been in the past, was, in its initial beginnings, it really was just as a remote viewing company that took on government and corporate contracts, transferred to a classroom training company, and evolved into a publishing venture, which, in each step of the way, it increased its customer base, it informed the public more, it brought more people into the remote viewing community. And now what we're doing is we're expanding that in what I believe will be explosive growth. The public's interest has just been peaked with regard to what this is and what it means. And even though there are a number of people out there selling their version of remote viewing, there's no other company that can actually deliver it like PSI TECH. And so, with the second generation product and with future advanced training systems and a variety of enhanced products that will allow someone to be able to really incorporate this skill into their life, this company will explode, in terms of what those opportunities are. So, the many thousands of people now that are out there will increase exponentially here shortly. And my dedication is to do that and to do that in a world class way, so that people not only learn the skill but the credibility of this technology is maintained and people are able to really truly enhance their lives with it. So, that's what our goal is, to spread the technology...to advance it. And so that's the work that we are about. This next generation product will spawn the beginning of a new generation of professional remote viewers.

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